Comments on: The One True Faith : Vatican II & the Laity http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/ Christians in America need to stand up and defend our rights and our laws. Be feed spiritually. Have an informed world view and take action! Sun, 20 May 2012 14:31:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ligerWoods12 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10584 ligerWoods12 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:54:39 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10584 This question has actually been kind of bugging me , but what are your thoughts on the latin mass and the new mass, is there only one valid mass ? And does that mean one mass was wrong? This question has actually been kind of bugging me , but what are your thoughts on the latin mass and the new mass, is there only one valid mass ? And does that mean one mass was wrong?

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10583 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:46:20 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10583 >> is there only one valid mass ? There are two forms of the same rite; both are equally valid, and both may be used. >> is there only one valid mass ?

There are two forms of the same rite; both are equally valid, and both may be used.

]]> By: 5lilybug5 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10582 5lilybug5 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:33:16 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10582 There is only one valid mass, THE TRUE LATIN MASS!!!!!!!!!! There is only one valid mass, THE TRUE LATIN MASS!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: blackthorne00 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10581 blackthorne00 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:31:57 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10581 I don't attend an SSPX mass simply because there is not one local to me. It is thanks to them that the true Latin Mass has persevered. Vatican II was a pastoral council and thus none of the changes were required to be adapted by priests or bishops. I cannot enough recognize a Catholic "Mass" nowadays thanks to V2. Praise Lefevbre for doing what he did out of necessity for the sake of tradition and to keep the spirit of the true Mass alive today for those fortunate enough to attend. I don’t attend an SSPX mass simply because there is not one local to me. It is thanks to them that the true Latin Mass has persevered. Vatican II was a pastoral council and thus none of the changes were required to be adapted by priests or bishops. I cannot enough recognize a Catholic “Mass” nowadays thanks to V2.

Praise Lefevbre for doing what he did out of necessity for the sake of tradition and to keep the spirit of the true Mass alive today for those fortunate enough to attend.

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10580 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:06:45 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10580 >> There is only one valid mass, THE TRUE LATIN MASS!!!!!!!!!! The pope and the Church disagree. This makes you schismatic. You reject a Council of the Church. We call those who reject Trent "Protestants" - I see no reason to call those who reject Vatican II anything else. You are, for all intents and purposes, a Protestant. You are CERTAINLY NOT a faithful Catholic. >> There is only one valid mass, THE TRUE LATIN MASS!!!!!!!!!!

The pope and the Church disagree. This makes you schismatic.

You reject a Council of the Church. We call those who reject Trent “Protestants” – I see no reason to call those who reject Vatican II anything else. You are, for all intents and purposes, a Protestant.

You are CERTAINLY NOT a faithful Catholic.

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10579 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:00:26 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10579 >> Vatican II was a pastoral council and thus none of the changes were required to be adapted by priests or bishops. That is completely in error - it is an eccumenical Council and therefore MUST be followed. Tell me; have you actually READ the documents of Vatican II? I suspect you have not - most so-called "traditionalists" (read, dissenting schismatics) haven't. Lefevbre needs our prayers because his salvation is in question; he was excommunicated. He is certainly NOT to be praised. >> Vatican II was a pastoral council and thus none of the changes were required to be adapted by priests or bishops.

That is completely in error – it is an eccumenical Council and therefore MUST be followed.

Tell me; have you actually READ the documents of Vatican II? I suspect you have not – most so-called “traditionalists” (read, dissenting schismatics) haven’t.

Lefevbre needs our prayers because his salvation is in question; he was excommunicated. He is certainly NOT to be praised.

]]> By: PhxPride1 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10578 PhxPride1 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:26:58 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10578 How can the church call itself a rock, or a model upon which to live your life when it evolved with Vatican I and II, and continues to evolve in the present day? I'm not saying that women shouldn't be allowed upon the altar, or that the priest shouldn't face the congregation, but when so many changes take place (i.e. The priests at Newman centers these days sound more like televangelists than believers in Canon law) how can we still call the Catholic Church that which Jesus founded? How can the church call itself a rock, or a model upon which to live your life when it evolved with Vatican I and II, and continues to evolve in the present day? I’m not saying that women shouldn’t be allowed upon the altar, or that the priest shouldn’t face the congregation, but when so many changes take place (i.e. The priests at Newman centers these days sound more like televangelists than believers in Canon law) how can we still call the Catholic Church that which Jesus founded?

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10577 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:27:08 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10577 >> How can the church call itself a rock, or a model upon which to live your life when it evolved with Vatican I and II, and continues to evolve in the present day? Because the DOCTRINE has not changed. There may be many members who are flawed, but the Church is not. There is not a single doctrine which has ever changed - hence, the Church believes and teaches what Jesus believed and taught. >> How can the church call itself a rock, or a model upon which to live your life when it evolved with Vatican I and II, and continues to evolve in the present day?

Because the DOCTRINE has not changed. There may be many members who are flawed, but the Church is not. There is not a single doctrine which has ever changed – hence, the Church believes and teaches what Jesus believed and taught.

]]> By: Califman831 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10576 Califman831 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:10:20 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10576 Well if the documents of Vatican II were distributed by more bookstores, there would be an opportunity to read them. Why are they being hidden and restricted to one source. Could it be that by hiding the actual documents modernists would have the liberty to change the faith and commit other acts of heresy. Well if the documents of Vatican II were distributed by more bookstores, there would be an opportunity to read them. Why are they being hidden and restricted to one source. Could it be that by hiding the actual documents modernists would have the liberty to change the faith and commit other acts of heresy.

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10575 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:28:24 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10575 >> Well if the documents of Vatican II were distributed by more bookstores, there would be an opportunity to read them. Why are they being hidden? I don't call being available for free on the official website of the Vatican "hidden"! The documents are very, very, very easily accessible. And they are available to be ordered from any bookstore. >> Well if the documents of Vatican II were distributed by more bookstores, there would be an opportunity to read them. Why are they being hidden?

I don’t call being available for free on the official website of the Vatican “hidden”! The documents are very, very, very easily accessible. And they are available to be ordered from any bookstore.

]]> By: Califman831 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10574 Califman831 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:20:03 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10574 No they are not, I have yet to visit a bookstore, library, parish, or search an online mailorder catalog that does contain copies of Vatican II. I'll grant they can be be viewed on the vatican website, but outside of that location, zip. No they are not, I have yet to visit a bookstore, library, parish, or search an online mailorder catalog that does contain copies of Vatican II. I’ll grant they can be be viewed on the vatican website, but outside of that location, zip.

]]> By: Califman831 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10573 Califman831 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:31:44 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10573 Vatican II is protestant in nature, so we have a case of being ant-protestant, which makes you a Catholic not a protestant. Vatican II is protestant in nature, so we have a case of being ant-protestant, which makes you a Catholic not a protestant.

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10572 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:08:50 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10572 >> Vatican II is protestant in nature No it is not! It is an eccumenical council of the Church, held under the authority of the Pope. Anyone who denies it is a schismatic at best, and a heretic at worst. I see no reason to allow self-identified Catholics who hate the Church to speak here. Your account is blocked. >> Vatican II is protestant in nature

No it is not! It is an eccumenical council of the Church, held under the authority of the Pope. Anyone who denies it is a schismatic at best, and a heretic at worst.

I see no reason to allow self-identified Catholics who hate the Church to speak here. Your account is blocked.

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10571 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:11:28 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10571 >> No they are not You don't know what you are talking about. I did a Google search for "documents of Vatican II" - I found dozens of different websites. I also found that Waterstones, Barnes and Noble, Borders and Amazon ALL have the documents available for purchase. So, you are either lying or just very lazy and can't be bothered to research. >> No they are not

You don’t know what you are talking about. I did a Google search for “documents of Vatican II” – I found dozens of different websites. I also found that Waterstones, Barnes and Noble, Borders and Amazon ALL have the documents available for purchase.

So, you are either lying or just very lazy and can’t be bothered to research.

]]> By: catholicexodus http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10570 catholicexodus Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:31:07 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10570 You can say "No they're not and no they don't" you are ignoring that Vatican II teaches all religions are of God. You can say “No they’re not and no they don’t” you are ignoring that Vatican II teaches all religions are of God.

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10569 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:31:17 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10569 >> Vatican II teaches all religions are of God Vatican II teaches no such thing. Vatican II teaches all religions contain SOME truth, which is demonstrably the case (all religions teach there is a supernatural world, for example). But the truth they teach is CATHOLIC truth - as there is no other truth. God founded one religion - the Catholic religion. Which you have left ("exodus"). Which is a shame, as it is the means of your salvation. >> Vatican II teaches all religions are of God

Vatican II teaches no such thing. Vatican II teaches all religions contain SOME truth, which is demonstrably the case (all religions teach there is a supernatural world, for example). But the truth they teach is CATHOLIC truth – as there is no other truth.

God founded one religion – the Catholic religion. Which you have left (“exodus”). Which is a shame, as it is the means of your salvation.

]]> By: catholicexodus http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10568 catholicexodus Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:26:15 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10568 Vatican II does say we in 'Ecclesial Communities' ARE Christians and BROTHERS. That's quite a switch from the good old days. Vatican II does say we in ‘Ecclesial Communities’ ARE Christians and BROTHERS. That’s quite a switch from the good old days.

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10567 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:22:27 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10567 The Church has always said Protestants were Christians - if not, why would be concerned with your changes to the true faith? In any case, this video is not for a discussion of the various errors of the Protestant communities - Vatican II applies to Catholics alone. The Church has always said Protestants were Christians – if not, why would be concerned with your changes to the true faith?

In any case, this video is not for a discussion of the various errors of the Protestant communities – Vatican II applies to Catholics alone.

]]> By: catholicexodus http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10566 catholicexodus Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:29:26 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10566 The Church has always said Protestants were Christians? Are you serious? "We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302). The Church has always said Protestants were Christians? Are you serious? “We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302).

]]> By: SaintMichaelsMedia http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10565 SaintMichaelsMedia Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:23:45 +0000 http://ourchristiancountry.com/the-one-true-faith-vatican-ii-the-laity-14/#comment-10565 >> Are you serious? Yes. You, however, seem to be attempting to make a joke. You will note that NOTHING you have quoted says "Protestants are not Christians". You really have a comprehension problem - not only demonstrated by your inability to discern what a sentence means, but also the fact you continue to talk about something I have said this video is not a forum for. I see no reason to deal with you (& the anti-Catholicism shown on your channel) any further. Your account is blocked. >> Are you serious?

Yes. You, however, seem to be attempting to make a joke. You will note that NOTHING you have quoted says “Protestants are not Christians”.

You really have a comprehension problem – not only demonstrated by your inability to discern what a sentence means, but also the fact you continue to talk about something I have said this video is not a forum for.

I see no reason to deal with you (& the anti-Catholicism shown on your channel) any further. Your account is blocked.

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